Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby oldfishermen on Wed May 30, 2012 10:13 am

The impression I get is, if Joel does not switch to the NBA this season, the odds are, he never will.

There has been some talk around about Joel's buyout and the $$ involved. Not sure how accurate this info is? If any of this is wrong, please give us the correct info.

The Blazers may be able to pay Joel’s entire buyout amount, with the amount over the limit going against the cap. It appears the Euro contract $ amounts are net (after taxes if any), while the NBA works in gross amounts (before taxes). Also the Euro contracts often have perks such as living expenses, cars, maids, cooks, and so on that the NBA does not have.

There are a lot of other issues besides the buyout for Joel to consider. The odds are, he will NET less on his first NBA contract than he can make playing in a Euro league. However, he “may” make more on his next contract, if he stays healthy and produces.

It would be nice to have at least one of the three stashed Euro players come over this season, but I am not holding my breath.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby tester551 on Wed May 30, 2012 10:57 am

oldfishermen wrote:There are a lot of other issues besides the buyout for Joel to consider. The odds are, he will NET less on his first NBA contract than he can make playing in a Euro league. However, he “may” make more on his next contract, if he stays healthy and produces.


The other thing to consider is that most of the players are very competative. They want to play against the best. Money is not the end all / be all in a situation like this. Most of these guys want to give the NBA a shot to see if they "have what it takes" to play with the best players in the world.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby HoopsFan on Wed May 30, 2012 11:35 am

1. Regarding Freeland, it was a matter of player development needed and now (from Freeland's statements) playing time. Current bigs: Prz (UFA), KurtThomas (oldest in the NBA) with 1 year of contract, Hickson (waiting on a mid-June hearing regarding Bird rights) and a free agent, Thabeet (UFA), CraigSmith (UFA and black hole), Luke (I'll one day be a combo forward) Babbitt, and Aldridge.

Who is back (or should be)? Prz, Thomas (insurance policy or trade filler), Babbitt, Aldridge. Hickson is about 50-50 depending on cost and timing. In other words, with the draft first up, I'd expect a C or PF drafted (depth is needed)(and so long as there's a 2nd pick in the 1st round).

2. Room for Freeland to get minutes (and deserve them)? Likely.

3. Ability to pay more than $550,000 of the buyout? (The amount not counted against the salary cap for 2012-13) Yes. The amount in excess (and that which would count against the cap) is treated as a bonus and likely would be spread over several years. However, since Freeland has not been in college, lmcoon's new cap site (link provided below) has scenario applicable to the Blazers being under the cap this summer.

FAQ #49: When a team signs a first round draft pick within three years after he is drafted, they use the salary scale for the year in which he signs (usually the player signs in the same year he is drafted). After three years they have the option of either using the salary scale or signing him as if he was a free agent -- using their cap room or any available exception, with the standard raises. They can only do the latter if the player did not play intercollegiately in the interim. Such a contract must be for at least three seasons, and the salary in the first season must be greater than 120% of the applicable rookie scale amount.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[see also rule 74 for more info on this situation]

Choice 1: sign him as a free agent using caproom -- prior to re-upping Batum.
Choice 2: sign him as a rookie and pay him 120% of the rookie scale (+ the $550,000 not counting against the cap) so that the extra can be used to help pay his contract payoff -- this is done after free agent shopping.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby Toby on Wed May 30, 2012 12:36 pm

Oh snap, those are Euros! That'd be even more coin!! I think this tightwad team we got is gonna be looking to cut corners every step of the way. Doubtful they're gonna pay that much to break Freeland's chains.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby discovery69 on Wed May 30, 2012 1:35 pm

Murrog wrote:It really comes down to, does Freeland want to play in the NBA?

If he does, he will eat the $1M balance of the buyout. Any decent NBA career will make that ultimately look like chump change.

He will not likely have a better opportunity than this year, as we have to address our big man slot, and if he does not come, some other guy will be working hard to be the solution.


I agree, he has been rumored to be told the starting center position is wide open and for him to win. If he decides to stay in Europe then he has little confidence in himself that he can play in the NBA.....
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby borninspain on Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:24 pm

Claver have already signed with portland?
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby HoopsFan on Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:37 pm

Unless Claver's eventual contract with Portland is the same as his caphold, it makes little sense to sign him and eat up any capspace. Likewise, if Portland wishes to do any trades, his value in a trade counts for zero, so signing him early is a negative.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby discovery69 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:19 am

http://www.lasprovincias.es/v/20120630/deportes/valencia-bc/estuviese-dispuesto-salto-habria-20120630.html
Victor Claver: "Portland is interested in me playing with them. If I wasn't ready to go there this year and play with them, we wouldn't be talking about it [with the media]. That's for sure." lasprovincias.es
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby discovery69 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:14 am

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/07/06/valencia/1341571569.html
Victor Claver has officially announced his decision to Valencia Basket: he will leave the Spanish club to play next season for the Portland Trail Blazers.

Claver will have to pay around $740,000 dollars for his buyout so he can play with the Blazers.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby borninspain on Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:48 am

Claver don´t need to pay, Portland will pay the buyout just 500.000 USD
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby HoopsFan on Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:52 am

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!
The Euro contingent is being reborn -- Claver, Batum, Matthews (The Ambassador), and (maybe) Freeland.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby discovery69 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:56 am

Freeland to Blazers
TuBasket.com (via Google translater)
The British power forward Joel Freeland (25, 2.08 m) will fulfill his dream of playing in the NBA. As can advance TUBASKET.com in scoop, in the coming days will travel to Portland for a physical examination and sign a contract for three seasons with the Portland Trail Blazers.

It was the franchise that selected him at number 30 of the 2006 draft. Freeland has already communicated to Unicaja its intention to give effect to the NBA out clause in his contract, whose term expired yesterday.

Now, club and player negotiate the terms for payment of the 1.5 million it costs to leave for the NBA. Until the last moment, important and rich European clubs have tried to convince Freeland to not crossed the pond.

CSKA Moscow and Fenerbahce Ulker have seen the British ruled the succulent offerings. It has also been in the bid for Real Madrid, attentive to the movements until the last minute, but has not reached agreement with Unicaja.


https://twitter.com/VictorClaver9/status/222589432069488640
(via Google translater) Today I will not play. I'm at the airport to fly to Portland. I appreciate the FEB has left me to go to fix it ... On the way back I tell you!


Victor Claver and Joel Freeland should be Blazers by next week. While both aren't expected to be starters in the NBA, they can both upgrade the talent on the bench and be part of the 9-10 man rotation.
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Re: Joel Freeland, Victor Claver and Jon Diebler

Postby discovery69 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:33 am

Freeland is able to sign 3 years for $9M, with Freeland being 3 years after he was drafted. So the Blazers are able to exceed the 1st round restrictions.
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